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"THROW OUT THE LIFELINE"
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First Affirmative
JERRY'S REBUTTAL
Affirm: The Scriptures teach that a church treasury (i.e. collected moneys laid in store) added to each Sunday by collection is authorized to fund the church's work. The church's work for the purpose of this debate will be those areas of responsibility falling to the local church by the scriptures...

Signed: Jerry Blount.
Deny: [respondent's name withheld until permission is granted]
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 I count three times in which you say tradition did this or that… Where is it? Where is the tradition?
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 In case you didn’t notice, my first affirmative was a fairly straightforward exposition of the passage. My first affirmative also had a solid exposition of II Samuel 7 as an explanation for noting this as the authority for (and need for) the practice of the collection on 1st day of the week.
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 You seem to be saying this is “at Home”. Here is my question… If it is “at home”, then why is he commanding a church? If it is at home then why did he command the churches of Galatia?
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 We should have “as I commanded each individual Christian in Galatia so do you, On the first day of the week, let each one of you dig a hole in the ground and hide your money from your spouse so there is something to gather when I come… “
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 Second question, if the “collection for the saints” is scattered all over the city of Corinth (e.g., in a hole under every Christian’s mattress)…
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 Why did Paul say, “so that no collections be made when I come?”
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 [concerning the respondent's list]
When the Jehovah’s witnesses show up and start trying to prove that Jesus is an angel, they come up with a list like this as well. I simply direct them back to scripture. There are endless arrays of translations out there. When we get done, we are still to look at the context, compare it with other passages and draw our conclusions. My 2nd affirmative will bring some of the other passages to bear.
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 Did you notice that I Corinthians 16:1 “The collection” and I Corinthian 16:2 “No Collection” uses the same word? The collection is done on the 1st day of the week. It is the gathering… so that no gathering is necessary.
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 Third question
Where do you find the term “home” in this passage? You [respondent-gw] said I misquoted it [i.e., I Cor. 16:2-gw], and [then respondent-gw] proceeded to inject the word `home.`
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 Note your quote, “Each was to treasure up AT HOME until Paul came.” Twice in your denial, you say “this is not what it says.”
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 Well ******* [denial respondent], this is not what it says. “At Home” is not in there…
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 A brother sent me the passage with Strong’s numbers beside every word. If you look up the numbers in the back of your concordance, you’ll find that “home” or “at home” is absolutely not there!
[* This is a free program that can be downloaded at`e-sword.net`. It does the Greek searching for you.- gw]
Discussion on the "Church Treasury"
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 1 Corinthians 16:1-2
1 Now1161 concerning4012 the3588 collection3048 for1519 the3588 saints,40 as5618 I have given order1299 to the3588 churches1577 of Galatia,1053 even2532 so3779 do4160 ye.5210 2 Upon the first2596, 3391 day of the week4521 let every one1538 of you5216 lay5087 by3844 him1438 in store,2343 as3748, 302 God hath prospered2137 him, that2443 there be1096 no3361 gatherings3048 when(3752) I come.2064
-Jerry


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DISCUSSION ON CHURCH TREASURY
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